Domino Express and Sametime on iSeries

If you are familiar with Domino licensing, you know about theLotus Domino Express license model. Domino Collaboration Express is a license purchased per user for SMBs (under 1000 employees I think). No Domino server license required. You can deploy as many Domino servers as needed to support your user community. There are a few restrictions with the Express license including no Domino server partitioning allowed. Take a look at the details, great offering for your smaller customers.

Lotus Domino Express is entitled to the Sametime Limited Use functionality, just like the normal server license is: licensed users can utilize the imbedded Sametime client in their Notes client with no Sametime license required. An excellent value for SMBs!

The usual implementation, or at least the best practice, is to dedicate a Domino server for Sametime. This gives you scalability, separation of services, separation of configuration options, and easier upgrades. I have several customers that use iSeries servers for other business applications. They love their iSeries! So much so, that some of them will not deploy any additional Windows servers. So with Domino and Sametime being supported on the iSeries, coupled with the less expensive Express license model, they have deployed Domino and Sametime.

Now to the point of this blog entry, finally! Since the Express license model does not allow Domino partitioning, these iSeries customers have used the same server for email and Sametime; that is, one Domino server supporting email and Sametime. From a performance context, this is not a problem as most of them are small customers, 30 to 60 users. But from an upgrade context, it is now an issue. Sametime 8.0 is not supported on Domino 8.5. Sametime 8.5 is announced, but no real details on availability nor system requirements.

If the Domino Express license model would allow for partitioning, problem solved! But it does not, as far as I know. Is anyone aware of an exception to this license restriction? For example, if the other partitioned server is only used for Sametime Limited Use, partitioning would be allowed? Does that make sense? I think this may be a small subset of customers for Lotus, but it is a not-so-small subset for me! They are ready to upgrade to Domino 8.5, but can’t without changing their license or deploying another server.

What do you think?

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5 Responses to Domino Express and Sametime on iSeries

  1. Rob Wills February 12, 2009 at 1:23 am #

    Hi Tony, good looking blog. Yes I agree it seems weird that you are licenced to install a separate Domino server for Sametime use but not as a separate partition on an existing install. Does iSeries have any kind of virtualisation at the OS level that lets you install a separate Domino version (kind of like vmWare)?

  2. Tony Frazier February 12, 2009 at 11:39 am #

    Thanks Rob!

    Yes, the iSeries does offer the ability to create different LPARs, or logical partitions at the OS level (stretching my iSeries knowledge now). This particular set of customers will not take that approach either (too expensive, hardware resource availability, staff skill set, etc.).

    Lots of reasons as to why they have their current implementation. Originally when introducing them to Domino, I attempted to get them to separate Sametime out to a different server/platform, but the low workload, low cost of Express license, higher cost of other servers, and compatibility of Sametime/Domino pretty much sealed the deal for them to keep it all on the iSeries.

    Has not been a problem yet, and probably, hopefully, will not be a problem when Sametime 8.5 is released. Just trying to find a way around it today as some of them want to upgrade to Domino 8.5 for DAOS and ID Vault.

    Would be nice if the no partition exclusion to the Express license could be waived if the “other” partitioned server was only used for the Sametime Limited Use.

    Thanks again!

  3. Michael Delk June 23, 2009 at 2:23 pm #

    Were you thinking of us when you wrote this, Tony? We have Sametime in a partitioned Domino server on an iSeries and want to move to Domino 8.5 so we can use DAOS. Luckily our Sametime 8 is on a separate Domino partition so we can just leave that partition at Domino 8.0.2 until an upgrade for Sametime is available.

    By the way, I have the CD for SI30432 (JDK 6 32-bit) right here next to me. Can I install it while Domino is still at 8.0.2?

    Thanks again for all your help,


  4. dilan hotrey November 5, 2009 at 2:20 am #

    Thanks, Tony! Having read your article, I looked through Lotus Domino Express license model and everything became much clearer to me. God job!Emoticon

  5. John Taylor June 10, 2010 at 8:55 am #

    Express licences only prohibit use of the same release of Domino by more than one server. It doesn’t stop you having multi-versioning of Domino within one instance of the operating system as long as you only have one server per Domino code instance.

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